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Re: Millennium CGPro2024 v Older CGPro
Game 8/10
It’s another draw, this time by 3rd fold repition. I hope this is not boring for people, but I’m actually enjoying the test of the CG Pro engines at this slow time control. I knew the match would be close but wanted to try and find out if the differences in the engines would be highlighted. So far the CGPro2024 has a won game in the least number of moves, but this doesn’t mean much. The same could happen the other way around given enough games, and there is time yet to witness this. The older CGPro does calculate further ahead, especially noticeable in the end game and I have seen it calculate an extra 2ply. That said, it’s not made a difference so far in the score in this match so maybe the extra knowledge in the newer CGPro makes up for this? Swings and roundabouts as they say, in some positions the extra search depth may help and in others, the extra knowledge may make the difference.
[Event "CGP2024 V CGP 40m/2h 20m/1h Classic Book"]
[Round "8"] [White "CGP2024"] [Black "CGPro"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "C49"] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bb4 5.O-O O-O 6.d3 d6 7.Bg5 Bxc3 8.bxc3 Bd7 9.Nd2 Ne7 10.Bxf6 gxf6 {Both out of book} 11.Bxd7 Qxd7 12.Qf3 Qe6 13.a4 b6 14.a5 Kh8 15.axb6 axb6 16.d4 Kg7 17.Rfb1 Rg8 18.d5 Qd7 19.c4 h6 20.Qh5 f5 21.Qh3 Rad8 22.Ra7 fxe4 23.Qxd7 Rxd7 24.Nxe4 f5 25.Ng3 Kf6 26.f3 Nc8 27.Rb7 Re7 28.Ra1 Kg6 29.Ra8 Reg7 30.Ne2 Ne7 31.Ra6 Nc8 32.Kf1 h5 33.Ra8 Kh6 34.g3 h4 35.Rbb8 Ne7 36.Rxg8 Nxg8 37.gxh4 Nf6 38.Kf2 Kh5 39.Rh8+ Kg6 40.Rf8 Rh7 41.Kg3 Re7 42.c3 Re8 43.Rxe8 Nxe8 44.Nc1 Kh5 45.Kh3 f4 46.Nd3 Ng7 47.Nf2 Nf5 48.Ne4 Nxh4 49.Nf6+ Kg5 50.Ne4+ Kh5 51.Nf6+ Kg5 52.Ne4+ Kh5 1/2-1/2 The Four Knights, symmetrical variation was played until both machines were out of book at move 10. It’s been mentioned before but the Classic book (London) contains dubious lines and that is the case in this game. At move 9 both machines were still in book but the selected moves starting from Black’s 8th move are either interesting or dubious:
Black had just moved 8…Bd7?! Qe7 is considered good. Play continued 9.Nd2 Ne7? Better would have been the book move 9…h6! 10.Bxf6 gxf6 11/Bxd7 Qxd7:
And white is in a much stronger position while Black’s King is now exposed. Apart from weakness in the Classic opening book both machines played accurately and defended well, so we have the unsurprising draw. Score now is 4 – 4 Ray |
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Re: Millennium CGPro2024 v Older CGPro
Game 9/10
[Event "CGP2024 V CGP 40m/2h 20m/1h Classic Book"]
[Round "9"] [White "CGPRO"] [Black "CGP2024"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "B09"] 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 c5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.e5 Ng4 8.e6 fxe6 9.Ng5 Bxb5 10.Nxb5 Qa5+ 11.c3 Qxb5 12.Qxg4 cxd4 13.Nxe6 Qc4 14.Nxg7+ Kf7 15.Nf5 Qe6+ 16.Ne3 dxe3 17.Qxe6+ Kxe6 18.Bxe3 Rc8 {Out of book} 19.O-O-O {Out of book} 19...Nd7 20.Rhe1 Kf7 21.Re2 Nf6 22.Bd4 Rc7 23.Kc2 a5 24.a4 Nd5 25.g3 Ra6 26.Rde1 Rac6 27.Kb3 Nf6 28.h3 d5 29.Be5 Rd7 30.Rd1 e6 31.Ka3 Ke7 32.Bxf6+ Kxf6 33.Re5 Rc4 34.Rde1 Rd6 35.h4 h5 36.R1e3 Rdc6 37.Re1 Rd6 38.R5e3 Kf5 39.Re5+ Kf6 1/2-1/2 Surprise, surprise another draw. They played the Pirc Defence: Austrian Attack and by move 19 were both out of book. There were no obvious blunders (only SF could see a slight advantage for White in places but neither machine would have seen that), in fact both played very accurately. So accurate that the game ended as a draw by 3-fold repetition. Current score 4 ½ - 4 ½ With everything riding on the last game! To be honest, if either machine wins the last game it’s not conclusive evidence that one is stronger than the other, probably more down to the luck of the chosen opening. Ray |
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AW: Millennium CGPro2024 v Older CGPro
Die 2 Programme kennen sich, die spielen immer auf Remis
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Re: AW: Millennium CGPro2024 v Older CGPro
Yes, I think that must be the case
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Re: Millennium CGPro2024 v Older CGPro
Game 10/10
[Event "CGP2024 V CGP 40m/2h 20m/1h Classic Book"]
[Round "10"] [White "CGP2024"] [Black "CGPro"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "B13"] 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Bd3 Nc6 5.c3 g6 6.Nf3 Nh6 7.O-O Bf5 8.Bxh6 Bxd3 9.Qxd3 Bxh6 {Both out of book.} 10.Qb5 Rb8 11.Ne5 O-O 12.f4 e6 13.Qe2 Rc8 14.Nd2 Bg7 15.Rae1 Na5 16.Ndf3 h6 17.Qf2 b5 18.Nd3 Nc4 19.Nfe5 Re8 20.Nc5 Bf8 21.Ncd3 Kg7 22.Qe2 Qa5 23.a3 Qc7 24.Rf2 Bd6 25.Qf3 a5 26.Qg3 b4 27.axb4 axb4 28.f5 Bxe5 29.dxe5 exf5 30.Nxb4 Nxe5 31.Rfe2 Qc5+ 32.Qf2 Qxf2+ 33.Kxf2 Ng4+ 34.Kg3 Rxe2 35.Rxe2 Rc5 36.h3 Nf6 37.Kf3 Ne4 38.Ke3 Rb5 39.Re1 g5 40.Rd1 f4+ 41.Ke2 Nf6 42.Kd3 Ne4 43.Ke2 Nf6 44.Kd3 Ne4 45.Ke2 1/2-1/2 The final game and unfortunately no win to make it more exciting finish. That said, at least in this match it’s showing that any strength difference between the machines is likely very small if at all, and may only be revealed after many more games. At least it’s not a backward step in terms of playing strength which I did not expect to witness anyway. So on to the game: The Caro-Kann: Exchange variation and Panov-Botvinnik Attack (wow!) was played until both were out of book at move 9. Not much to be said, there were no blunders just good play from both sides. Final score 5 – 5 They each achieved 2 won games and possibly the most exciting win was by the CGP2024 in game 4. Both the older CG Pro’s wins were playing with the black pieces. I noticed that the older model’s eval would tend to be a little higher at times indicating a definite difference in the programs. I also felt that some of the attacking play by the programs was not analysed deep enough to be carried through with conviction. For example, in some situations one side would look to be forming an aggressive attack but would not have enough supporting pieces to see it through. This is very unlike the King engine but is a mistake I sometimes make in my own games so I should learn from this! Ray |
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AW: Millennium CGPro2024 v Older CGPro
Interessante Matchs, der weiße Bauerndurchbruch des CGP 2024 in Game 4 war erstaunlich.
Interesting matches, CGP 2024's white pawn breakthrough in Game 4 was amazing. |
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Mephisto_Risc (23.11.2023), Ray (23.11.2023) | ||
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