Hi Hans-Jürgen
Thank you for your lengthy response. An observation though, I wish there was a way to separate " Originally Posted by spacious_mind" to more accurately reference the Origin. Most of what you highlighted are not my words but "QUOTED" documentation from other websites in this case Wikipedia and EDOChess. I did this to highlight different schools of thought, and get reactions to it
I am not smart enough; to be able to think and write all this myself and I would hate for some future reader to think otherwise and think of me more than what I am which is a lowly peasant!
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Elo and imagination - I do like your fantasy..."Nick Verne"
Once in the future would it be possible to get through our Schachcomputer.info Tournament list...?
There is a Science Fiction writer called Vernor Vinge. I wonder if that is his real name or a play with words (Vernor, Verne). You know what they say: "What is Science Fiction today becomes reality tomorrow".
So why not, why would you not be able to take the 50,000+ games Schachcomputer.Info (300 programs) (180S and 30S) and run them through a future master computer? What would be more accurate in the future? Performance or Strength? Or are both needed? What if the future shows stats needed corrections? It has happened before.
An example... Someone plays 100 games with two programs. And a year later plays another 100 games with the same two programs. Will the results be the same? Add another computer what happens then? What if you add 50,000? The argument will always be "Ah yes, but it falls within the tolerance" Is that argument good enough? Maybe yes, maybe no.
How do you compare Hardware A to Hardware B? Human to computer? How do you compare history with today. Actual history regarding actual knowledge and actual strength progression throughout history. It is very simple you can't, therefore you will look for different approaches if that is something that interests a person. If it does not interest someone, then reading this Post, will also be of little interest, I am sure.
I cannot answer some of your questions, as I stated I only posted the "Quotes" to show that there is a lot of interest for alternative ideas and methods, otherwise why create websites and methods. And maybe someone can prove or disprove the comments. I can't
It goes back to the old question... is the World flat or is it round? What happened to the old "round" believers? Burned at the stake or
hung as heretics, until finally reality sets in.
A Master program would not care who or what it is or who you are. If you have a bad day or good day, if you intimidate people or are shy. It just evaluates and sends out the results of the games played and gives a number.
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Absolutely there is a difference between performance and strength !
The elo system only measures performance - nothing else.
So IMHO that's the drawback in your system using the moves of a game - you are regarding not the performance but only the strength of a person,
which is not the aim of the Elo-sytem.
To say it more drastically: the strength of a person or computer is totally irrelevant for calculating elo - only performance matters !
Nothing else than 1-0, 1/2:1/2, 0:1, simple as that !
That's the consequence !
You shouldn't call it Elo...STR...or maybe StrElo.
Correct! It is why I decided to change it to "STR" there is no future mention to ELO as these are not "Performance" calculations. Only "STR", strength!
BTW. thanks again for your great response and deep thoughts!
Best regards
Nick