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bataais 27.02.2025 12:40

Mac Hack VI
 
If you want to try MacHackVI, I've compiled a barebones bootable TOPS10 7.03 disk.
(Be warned, in unpackes to 315 MB.)

simh (pdp10) binaries for osx (x86_64) and windows are also included.
consult start.txt to get it running, and chess_how.txt to play.

have fun
bataais

https://drive.google.com/file/d/182d...ew?usp=sharing

mclane 27.02.2025 12:49

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Mac_Hack

Mac Hack VI incorporated a table of opening positions with selected replies. The opening book was compiled by two MIT students, Larry Kaufman, a chess master and top rated U. S. Junior player, and Alan Baisley a chess expert. It is noteworthy that Larry Kaufman started his computer chess career over 50 years ago as team member of Mac Hack! Quote from Oral History of Richard Greenblatt:

And it was compacted pretty efficiently. And you know, there was a – by later standards it wasn't so big, but at the time it was pretty good sized. I don't know I think it was probably 8,000 or 10,000 moves in there. He – Kaufman spent quite a while doing it. Of course, a number of the moves, you know, would – the game would just play it. There was very little chance of it actually staying in the book. You know, the – but I think Kaufman did a good job and he did – we did perceive some of the – well of course, one of the basic things about computer programs, really to the present day, is that they're very tactical. It's much easier for them to see that the tactics than the strategy. So what's called a closed position is hard for a computer. That's where all the pieces are blocking each other and it's very long maneuvering. Whereas, an open position which is sort of tactical combinations is much more to the computer's liking. So therefore, when designing the opening book, you want to kind of play offbeat and kind of unbalanced type openings that tend to lead to these closed position – open positions, which are then good for the computer. And so we realized that and you know, I think Kaufman did a fairly good job of ...

Lucky 28.02.2025 08:48

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
War es nicht ein MacHack-Computer, gegen den Bobby Fischer einst eine kleine Miniserie hingelegt hatte (3:0), eine Serie, die seinen Fans Hoffnung gemacht hatte, dass er doch wieder zum organisierten Turnierschach zurückfände?

Gruß!

bataais 28.02.2025 09:14

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
Ja, und auch gegen andere..

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=159184

bataais 28.02.2025 12:11

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
BTW. The Mac Hack VI above seems to be an early version of 1970.

http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/dec...-110_Chess.pdf

MikeChess 28.02.2025 16:30

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
Hallo Ihr Experten,
danke für das interessante Programm.

Könnte mir jemand verständlich erklären, wie ich es zum Laufen bringe unter Windoof 11? :o

Vielen Dank und ein schönes Wochenende
Beste Grüße
Michael

bataais 28.02.2025 17:00

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
Ich bin schon ein Weilchen nicht mehr auf Windows..

Mit command-line / terminal ins Verzeichnis MacHackVI wechseln (cd ..) und pdp10.exe starten. Dann die weiteren paar Schritte im start.txt befolgen. Sollte ganz einfach sein.. So siehts dann aus (Fett sind Einzugebendes. ^C ist CTRL-C).

Code:

PDP-10 simulator V3.12-5
sim> att rp0 dskb.dsk
sim> boot rp
BOOT V3(47)

BOOT>
[Loading from DSKB:SYSTEM.EXE[1,4]]

KS10    03-19-86
Why reload: sched
Date:
Time:

Startup option: go
[Rebuilding the system search list from the HOMe blocks]

[Rebuilding the active swapping list from the HOMe blocks]

[Rebuilding the system dump list from the HOMe blocks]


KS10    09:39:01 CTY system 4097
Connected to Node (0) Line # 42
.LOGIN 1,2
.R OPSER

[CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start]
[OPRPAF Processing auto command file]
?OPRALF LOOKUP failure 0
*
*%%TTY STOMPER - Starting
^C

.RUN CHESS.SAV

Hoffe damit klappts.

bataais 28.02.2025 17:36

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
Beenden mit CTRL-E, dann CTRL-C.

PS. MacHack benötigt die (englische) deskriptive Notation! ;)

Tibono 28.02.2025 20:50

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
DEMO

Hoffentlich hilft das...
MfG
Tibono

mclane 01.03.2025 02:39

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
Ist ja schwieriger als Schach spielen ;-)

Tibono 01.03.2025 09:39

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
Hi,
as it plays fast on modern hardware even at tournament setting, I gave a try to more depth and/or width. Sadly the deeper/larger the search, the higher the probability for a crash with a 'Push down list overflow' msg.

So I sticked to the usual tournament settings.

But a crash can still happen. I faced one after five games played without any issue, thus not a so often case.

The good news is I could easily resume the position and start a lower search (depth 5 instead of 6), get the Mac Hack move, increase again the search and complete the full game without anymore issue.

How to? I copied the TTY output of the game to a text editor to empty the unwanted output characters (such as _W prefix for moves played by the program as White), removed the play command (PW or PB) to ensure "referee mode", then pasted back into a new/clean CHESS program run. The CMD Windows lets you paste several lines that will feed the Mac Hack session. You then just need to set the appropriate level and enter PW or PB command to resume the search.

Should Michael (or anyone) want to test/reproduce, here is a TTY input for the position that crashed using tournament level:
Code:

SETD 6
SETW 15 15 9 9 7
P/K2-K4
P K4
N/KN1-KB3
N KB3
P/Q2-Q4
NXP
B/KB1-Q3
P Q4
N/KB3*P/K5
B Q3
O-O
O-O
P/QB2-QB4
P QB3
P/QB4*P/Q5
PXP
Q/Q1-QB2
P B4
N/QN1-Q2
B K3
N/Q2-KB3
N R3
Q/QB2-QN3
N N5
B/Q3-K2
R B1
PW
?

Just change the first line to SETD 5 for a safe run.

If any useful, the standard notation:
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.03.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mack Hack VI"]
[Black "opponent"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "C43"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Bd6 6.O-O O-O 7.c4 c6 8.cxd5 cxd5 9.Qc2 f5 10.Nd2 Be6 11.Ndf3 Na6 12.Qb3 Nb4 13.Be2 Rc8 {program crashed} *


MfG,
Tibono

MikeChess 01.03.2025 12:14

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
Zitieren:

Zitat von mclane (Beitrag 131560)
Ist ja schwieriger als Schach spielen ;-)

Ja, das sehe ich genauso :D
Habe es zum Laufen gebracht, aber werde es wohl nicht weiter untersuchen.
Da gibt es noch sooo vieles anderes, was auf meine zeitliche Zuwendung wartet :)

Aber nochmals vielen Dank für das alte Schätzchen.
Beste Brüße
Michael

bataais 01.03.2025 13:14

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
mit LIST kann man sich Commandos / Parameter anzeigen lassen.

Code:

PSVD=1
M
U
SMVD=0
BD
SE=1
RESET
PG
PW
PB
PS
PN
PNT-0
WALLP-0
SETW
SETD-6
SETF-2
SETC=2
DRAW
HASH=1
BOOK=1
UREAD
SETSD=2
SETSSD=0
FILE
UWRITE
SAVE
RS
SPOT
CBOOK
TRACE
RBOOK
LIST
TPC
KHS=1
SFS=1


Eine spätere Version hat hier eine 'Dokumentation':
https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/its...Greenblatt.pdf


Spannend ist zum Beispiel:
SMVD 1
(give analysis of principal variations stemming from each plausible move)
PSVD 1
(print principal variation and its value..)

M - einen Move machen lassen.
PS - automatische Partie spielen
U - Undo move

etc.

Ich finds jedenfalls höchst interessant, habe auch schon Partien in der desktriptiven Notation gespielt ;)

bataais 02.03.2025 11:30

AW: Mac Hack VI
 
Hier mal eine Partie Sargon 2.5 (ohne Pondern) gegen Mac Hack VI auf Turnierstufe. Sargon kam arg in Bedrängnis.

[Event "MessExtra"]
[Date "2025.03.02"]
[White "Boris 2.5 noPonder"]
[Black "MacHackVI"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 c6 4. Bh3 Bc5 5. Nf3 d6 6. Bxc8 Qxc8 7. d4
exd4 8. Nxd4 Qh3 9. Qd3 O-O 10. Nf5 Nbd7 11. Nxd6 Qg2 12. Rf1 Ne5 13. Qd1 Nfg4
14. Be3 Bxe3 15. Nce4 Nxh2 16. fxe3 Qxf1+ 17. Kd2 Qxd1+ 18. Rxd1 Rad8 19. Kc3
Nhg4 20. Rd2 Nxe3 21. Nxb7 Rxd2 22. Nxd2 Rb8 23. Nd6 Nd1+ 24. Kd4 Rxb2 25. N6e4
f5 26. Kxe5 fxe4 27. Nxe4 Rxe2 28. Kd4 Rxe4+ 29. Kxe4 Nc3+ 30. Kd4 Nxa2 31. Kc5
h5 32. Kxc6 Nc3 33. Kb7 Ne4 34. g4 hxg4 35. Kxa7 g3 36. Kb6 g2 37. Kc6 g1=Q 38.
Kd5 Nc3+ 39. Kc6 g5 40. c5 g4 41. Kd6 Ne4+ 42. Ke5 Nxc5 43. Kd5 Qe3 44. Kc4 g3
45. Kb5 g2 46. Kb6 Nd7+ 47. Kb5 Qe4 48. Ka5 g1=Q 49. Kb5 Qb6# 0-1


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