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Good morning Nick,

the Elo rating system have a very big advantage?! The formula is clear and all of the World using it. That's for me the biggest advantage because nobody can create nonsense. If in _additional_ or _after_ a second rating system will be follow and will be available at first, others copy that to 100 variants. In each humen a hidden "Einstein" was born. The Einstein family is the biggest family in World have. The final result end of the day should be clear, we have a chaos. Not new for you, me and sure for the other readers too. Subconsciously, criticism is on the agenda but in reality not important.

Yesterday I am study a bit your system in detail. Nothing from that work you do for us have bigger weak points _for me_. The idea you do that with history games is nice. Honestly, at the moment I am thinking more easy as own ideas I am working a longer time.

In the past Saitek used the "Star system" for playing strength. Can be see on older Saitek catalogs. A great idea but Saitek used to many of such stars and all is more or less loosed ... as reason as "good-meaning"!

Amazon, eBay, bigger companies (the own I am working too) used the 5-stars rating system. I am working with many chess players where have interest on different parts on computer chess. Correspondence chess players in times I wrote for a chess magazine for one example. Most of such persons comes with the wish to give detailed information about playing strength to first and late middle-game / the transposition into end-games and to the endgame. Since years, I try to do that with playing style descriptions for most important engines we have. Each time such things are very successfully / helpfully. But the main problem: Subjective components are to high. Not important how good are the generated statistics for such a work.

That's really the main problems here!!

The group of chess computer lovers are in my opinion "older persons". So, often the older persons (nobody will read that), are more ... difficult to write such things ... have a lot experience (oh yes) but are more conservative. Not a secret, more or less fact but nobody will read that. Since today I am 52 years, and I am an older person too. A lot of things I will not read to computer chess. So, same for myself.

Read 50 years the same and the same to playing strength (Elo) and have not the ear for other ideas. The younger generation like new and interesting experiments, like newer ideas and is more open. On other order is to inspire the younger genereation with the old topic "Chess Computers". Will be not easy.

I think, your rating systems, better your ideas are great. You know that I like your pages with chess computer information a lot. Sure, that others like it a lot to. To give visitors the information with an easy star system is great. Stars to the middle-game, transposition into the endgame and endgame. Means for the detail pages for all the older chess computers.

The advantage from your idea is that in comparative time very exactly a good information can be create. In background to the stats an easy and logical system that works good. I am thinking your system works good.

At the moment an excel expert and I am thinking about a new project after the last one ... FEOBOS. On our site are helpers strong in programming and math experts. Helps frequently often if we need solutions. Main problem here, to develops a rating system _in additional to Elo_ need many time. So far we are completely worn out from the last project. I have here an order from a company to write a new chess book to computer chess in two parts. Part one will be the good and old chess computers with a power pack on "Inspire" for the younger generation. Unclear is the time I will started. I need now more as one year to hold many of the important chess computers again in my hand ... a major effort. Maybe you have interest on it to helps here a bit with your system you wrote about it and perhaps with checking main information, later will be available in the chess book.

Today is bad, but in the next days I will write here a bit more to your idea.

Have a nice day!
And you have to know ... my English is more Frankish and for sure complicated to read.



Best for you
Frank

Maybe I don't have the own power to do such things after so many years computerchess.
_Sometimes torn_ can be right in English language?!

Oh, I forgot:
As children and in times after, in my boyhood time, I had many fun with chess computers. Strongest chess computers to the end of the area are on the own playing level. Today I am thinking it's more interesting to develops new things if the playing strength is the same as from me. I am not blind if I am using chess computers for it. I am completly blind if I am using stronger chess programs. Furthermore, the engine developments are a bit boring if I compare it with the years before. Many of Top-50 engines have the same strength and weeknessses for _one_ expample. Often I'm thinking, that's results from open sources. Open sources are good (I am since the beginning of my activities freeware apologist) but can be bad too.

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